MINUTES
AUCKLAND BRANCH
TRAINING AND NETWORKING EVENT
held on
WEDNESDAY, 21st FEBRUARY 2018 at 6.00pm
at
ALEXANDRA PARK, HOBSON ROOM,
GREENLANE, AUCKLAND
To Start: Grant Brown the convener introduced Maurice Hinton to pay tribute to Rangi Johnson. Maurice gave a quick, respectful memoir of Rangi.
He worked as a clerk of works for the Ministry of Works. Became a building official, contributed enormous amount to the Manukau council in the early 70s.
He was thorough, analytical, academic, humble, and passionate about BOINZ members and instigated service awards.
He was very much the back bone of grass-root building officials. He was a key contributor and highly respected in the liaison with local iwis and the Treaty of Waitangi.
All attendants observed a minute silence.
Welcome:
Branch Chair Glynn Robertson, opened the meeting, welcoming members, new members, and guests as well as extending a special welcome to the event’s sponsors –
• Dowdell & Associates
• Alpha demolition
• NZDAA – Demolition and Asbestos Association
• WorkSafe
Attendance:
157 recorded their attendance, 75 RSPV’ed
Apologies:
Ian Mac, Peter Laurenson, Peter Amies, Namir Amso, Timothy Ball, David Hutchins, Grant Tibbits, Willy Wiltox
Previous Minutes:
Meeting minutes were read and accurate.
Please note the minutes are a monthly meeting notice email from BOINZ attached to the following agenda. They are no longer being sent out separately
Moved: Andrew Collier Seconded: Ian Murray
Correspondence In/Out:
Moved: Nick R Seconded: Rob Woodger
General Business:
1. Glynn and Steven met with Nick Hill
• Structure to align with National office (technical advisory subject matter expert)
• Hot topics Champions
o Fire – Alastair Couper * Alastair has expressed his desire to not undertake the role. Jane Wu has volunteered herself as the fire go to Champion.
o 3604 – Allan Perich
o Plumbing – John Dyson, Phil Tozer has expressed his interests in becoming the Plumbing champion for the branch.
o E2 – Christina Hibbert
• Thank you to those members who put their hand up
2. Propose different speakers to supplement main sponsor events
• I.e. – NZIA / ADNZ / Engineering NZ / Property Council
• I.e. - Women in construction
• I.e. – soft skills
o communication skills
3. Paul Vernon – last year we had missed a few meetings with vacant sponsors
• We won’t miss any meeting this year – we aim to have all 10 meetings occupied
• GB - Champions are the attendees giving leads to great presentation.
• Any of the leads to come through
4. Suggestion on other possible presenters for the future events:
• Michael Henderson – Values at work (Parnell)
• Leadership NZ
• Prefab NZ CEO – Pam Bell, Chair – Lauren Christie, Board member – Leah Singer
5. Please remember to RSVP your attendance minimum 48 hours prior to the scheduled event – for catering purposes.
Moved: Ted Jones Seconded: Steven Peng
Guest Presentations:
NZDAA, Dowdell, Alpha Demolition and Works Safe
Keynotes: Dowdell – Nick
• Kinds of asbestos:
o Chrysotile – most common (cotton wool), white asbestos
o Amosite – needle like – brown asbestos
o Crocidolite – blue asbestos – worst of the three. Fibres have little hooks lodged to lung wall and cause permanent damage
• Some fibres can be 700-times smaller than hair.
• Can be found in building materials to soils
• Up to 3000 products made over the years out of asbestos.
• Been a good, sturdy material
• The effect to body could take 20~30 years to manifest and show effect.
• Area of application - Sprayed on fire proofing – Fire rating material
• Area of application – wool's and ceiling insulation, floor tiles. The asbestos fibre are embedded in the tile, old lino.
• Area of application – found traces of asbestos in decramastic tiles (underside) – nation wide
• Other areas of application - Jointing compound, fire curtains, fire doors, clutch lining in the motor vehicles – refurbishment of brake-shoes.
• Asbestos are mined from the ground.
• Roman slaves weaved chrysotile fabric into clothes, widely used during industrial revolution to wrap boilers, and as insulating pipe work etc.
• NZ – 50s, 60s find some form of asbestos in residential properties built during those eras.
o Soffit, lino, super6, chimney through roof, (heat protection) etc.
o 20 odd items at any one house
• Before demolition of a main house – it is important to have the asbestos products removed properly before undertaking the demolition work.
• Click on to Worksafe website before making modification to suspected asbestos material and suspected contaminated soil
• Paths of contamination: carpenters cut fibre cement sheets (containing asbestos) with handsaw or grinder, the dust fallen onto the soil is then contaminating the surrounding site.
• Unsealed roofs – specially underside of the cladding – when working in ceiling voids, do take extra care.
• Air testing could be set up to monitor the background air quality and contamination of fibre in air during process of removal.
• Friable material (insulation) rub against the material to generate fibre.
• Non-friable material (hardness) grind and sand to generate fibre
Q - When you remove cladding, how do you contain the fibre moving in the air (dust)
A – Plastic sheets are placed two meters beyond and remove sheets of cladding carefully to reduce dust. Trucks and bins are plastic lined, collecting sheets are rolled to minimise airborne dust/fibre transportation.
Keynotes: NZDAA – President Ricky
• 0800 hotline complaints on neighbours, construction sites not following proper asbestos removing procedure.
• 4th April 2018 must have approved safety removal management plan and licensed to undertake asbestos removal work.
• Have processes put in place to protect personnel and public, demonstrating what happens on site is the same as you say you’d do.
• There are two committees in NZDAA – demolition training committee and asbestos sub committee
• Class A license - for friable material
• Class B license - for non-friable material
• Third party works between Worksafe & contractor as independent certifiers to sign off the removal job.
• Airborne fibre and respirable fibres do get into your lungs.
Q – demolition contractors membership – voluntary or fee?
A – it was voluntary – now its subscription-based membership and vetted with work history.
Q – what about DIY’ers, contractors doing the removal work?
A – on the Worksafe website – DIY’ers can remove up to 10m2 of potential asbestos without a licensed remover. – Home owners could potentially contaminate their own family members, neighbours.
Asbestos licenses – Class A and Class B
Asbestos assessors license to survey the site.
Surveyors – removal process management review (asbestos management plan)
Q – Reports are only required for non-residential building, are multi-residential buildings require to have the management plan in place?
A – BC will have to have a management plan in place
Q – What is being done to members of the public who have no awareness to asbestos who wishes to part-take renovation to their property?
A – Awareness week public marketing champion was run last year. 9~13 April running the same – Auckland/Wellington/Christchurch
Q – Friable vs non-friable
A – under hand pressure is determined to be friable. (easily become airborne)
Q – why has it taken so long for NZ to pick up asbestos removal to catch up on other overseas counterparts?
A – The NZDAA association had been around since 2006, developed industry COP. It’s been a long road to bring legislation aligned and industry awareness up to par with other countries, and we’re getting there.
Keynotes: Alpha Demolition – John
• ALPHA advises financial and insurance industry on asbestos related damages.
Keynotes: Work Safe – Jason
• Advocating regulation change for over 4 years since 2013
• Released in 2016, 4th April 2018 to have fully enactment and implementation.
• Give industry proper training and transition period to understand the implications.
• Whilst strong focus on harmful of asbestos, Work Safe transitioned to a focus toa healthy work place.
• Asbestos equated to 23% of the death in construction industry related health deaths.
• Good health is good for business
• Stats: 3 out of 4 report regularly being exposed to dust, 7 out of 10 report heavy lifting and 7 out of 10 report regularly being exposed to loud noises.
• Plan – Do (Eliminate, minimise) – Check (monitor) – Act (learn from the steps and experience)
• Make sure the employers are fully engaged with their workers on doing and checking and communicating the safety plan.
• Engage – Educate – Enforce
o Engage – influence the work place
o Educate – guidance, advice
o Enforce – proportionately, consistently
• Abatement notice, two week period to put together an action plan to mitigate the non-conformance – then prosecution
• Dynamic risk assessment mentality before stepping outside their vehicle upon arrival
o Site hazard notice board,
o Access for vehicle, foot traffic
o Site accessible? / clean?
• 5 day notification period for asbestos removal work.
• 10 inspectors dedicated to asbestos region wide
Q – what should a building surveyor do in the field when suspect over 10m2 removal with no plan in place.
A – pull out, don’t carry on inspecting until such time the site is certified.
• Fibres still cling to your clothes/car,
• Fibres migrate through tiniest
NZDAA can guide you through the training.
Q – Can you place articles in CodeWords and approach BCITO for engagement and education
A – Engaged with MBIE and MIT currently. Will pick up BCITO
Q – Who’s doing the survey/report for buildings built prior to 2000?
A – Worksafe website has licenced assessors register. Unrealistic to have all building done by 4/4/2018
Q – Cost associated to survey reports?
A – Worksafe has a list of assessors who undertake survey report. Or approach NZDAA for guidance
Q – What is best practice when dealing with asbestos materials that is not being disturbed?
A – As long as the product is in place and in good condition, not been disturbed, still put on the register If you’re turning on site to an old villa – ask the builder/contractor if the property has had a survey *asbestos* undertaken.
Keynotes: Auckland Council - Andrew Minturn
At the moment it is not mandatory to have this survey plan available with BC application.
There’s a raft of policies to be worked through and put in place to robustly protect the employees and their family.
The floor feels it would be useful and beneficial to have a more detailed discussion focus on PPE and other protection, plus education and awareness of how best to protect.
The Chairperson thanked all the presenters and sponsors for the evening, and a special thanks to Grant Brown for organizing the event.
Chairperson closed the meeting at 7.50pm.
End of Meeting
Next Branch Training and Networking Event: scheduled for WEDNESDAY 21st MARCH
Steven Peng
Auckland Branch Secretary
